Comments on: Concordion vs. Cucumber and Java based Acceptance Testing

By: Oliver Wehrens

Oliver Wehrens — Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:28:54 +0000

Yes, refactoring is a problem. Your specification needs to be stable and the adapter or DSL (Fixture in the picture above) needs to make sure to adapt.

I would also think that having a DSL for your business problem is the way to go. In my dreams even my business analyst can write a test (with code completion).

By: Fabio Pereira

Fabio Pereira — Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:55:10 +0000

Hi Oliver,
I’ve been using BDD for more than 2 years now in big distributed projects realised that it’s very good in the beginning, however if we make some mistakes, especially no following your recommendatino of having a “stable specification”, we can get in trouble because the “specification” is usually a “non-refactorable” file (txt in JBehave, Html in Concordion, etc). Which means that, any change in these files will be painful. Furthermore, we don’t have autocompletion when writing these files…
Although, we can still have BDD practices without having to use these tools. I’m not saying that the tools are not useful, they are very useful, but bear in mind their problems as well… Only use a tool if you really need to, otherwise, try something like this:
http://fabiopereira.me/blog/2010/05/28/bdd-with-scenario-code-dsl-sometimes-you-dont-need-a-tool

Cheers,

By: Neil Thorne

Neil Thorne — Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:10:28 +0000

Hi,

I’ve been using Concordion for the last 6 months now. Used to use Fitnesse.

I love the simplicity of Concordion and the fact that the author has a very strong grasp on what makes ATDD tests maintainable.

Haven’t used Cucumber but I like the idea of natural language.

Worth mentioning that you can use Groovy rather than Java to write Concordion tests.

I’ve got a full example on my blog here.

http://bit.ly/8FpyzX

great to see someone else writing about Concordion!

Neil

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By: Oliver Wehrens

Oliver Wehrens — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:32:37 +0000

Cool, thanks.

I will try it out.

By: Ben Mabey

Ben Mabey — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:51:49 +0000

Thanks for the nice writeup of the two frameworks! FYI, you can have cucumber output JUnit XML test results using the ‘junit’ formatter. (So… ‘cucumber -f junit –out reports -f pretty’ will output the xml in the resports dir and also give you pretty output to the console.) I don’t know if that will help you but it has helped me in the context of build servers.

By: Oliver Wehrens

Oliver Wehrens — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:43:20 +0000

@Stefan Yes, it is not a big difference. But still for Java I would prefer Concordion due to the better integration.

By: Stefan Roock

Stefan Roock — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:36:32 +0000

I use Concordion for Java und Cucumber for Ruby. I don’t think that is that much difference.

Cucumber seems a little bit more smarter but I suspect thats due to Ruby and not due to Cucumber itself.